{"id":65809,"date":"2025-11-19T22:24:08","date_gmt":"2025-11-19T21:24:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/nabarralde.eus\/?p=65809"},"modified":"2025-11-19T22:24:08","modified_gmt":"2025-11-19T21:24:08","slug":"2008-11-19-efemeride-mingotsa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nabarralde.eus\/es\/2008-11-19-efemeride-mingotsa\/","title":{"rendered":"2008-11-19: efemeride mingotsa"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Egun horretan kanporatuak izan ziren Iru\u00f1a-Veleia aztarnategian indusketak egiten ari ziren LURMEN-eko arduradunak, Eliseo Gil eta Idoia Filloy, eta hainbat langile \u00abOrden Foral 444\/2008 de 19-11-2008\u00bb-aren bidez. Kanporatze erabakia \u00abBatzorde Zientifiko-aholkularia\u00bb k hartu zuela esaten badu ere, Batzordearen bileretako aktetan ez da ageri holakorik. Handik hilabete batzuetara honela deskribatzen du egun hura Eliseo Gilek: \u00ab2008ko azaroaren 19an irregulartasun-prozesu etengabe bat hasi zen, eta, horren ondorioz, nire lana baztertu eta nire ospe profesional, laboral eta pertsonalarekin amaitu nuen, suntsituta, foru-agindu eta komunikabideen bidez (\u00abPerd\u00f3n por ser inocente\u00bb, 2009).<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">17 urte geroago zertan da auzia? Kanporatuek eta kanporatzaileak postura antagonikotan jarraitzen dute: <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kanporatuak, eta haiekin bat egin dutenak, ahalegin betean aritu eta ari dira ekarpenak egiten grafitoen balizko benetakotasunean sinistuta, haien analisia eskatuz, \u00abIru\u00f1a-Veleia argitu\u00bb aldarrikatzen. Aurten bertan, 25 artikulu argitaratu dituzte gai desberdinak landuz, 10 bisita gidatu egin aztarnategira, 9 bideo editatu, 5 hitzaldi eman, 3 agiri \u00abIru\u00f1a-Veleia Argitu Ez Suntsitu Plataforma\u00bb ren eskutik eta manifestaldi bat Gasteizen grafitoak analizatzea eta eskabadora aztarnategitik ateratzea exijituz. Bideoetako baten protagonista Eliseo Gil bera da, auziari eta bere buruari buruz: \u00abEl arque\u00f3logo maldito \/ Arkeologo madarikatua (2025)\u00bb. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kanporatzailea, berriz \u2212AFA\u2212, sinistuta dago grafitoen balizko faltsutasunean. Azpimarratzekoa da aurtengo martxoaren 25ean, E. Jaurlaritzarekin batera, ateratako prentsa-oharra: \u00abhttps:\/\/prentsa. araba.eus\/es\/web\/arabapress\/-\/gobierno-vasco-remite-a-la-ertzaintza-dos-piezas-ceramicas-del-yacimiento-de-las-ermitas-por-ver-indicios-de-falsificacion\u00bb. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Miguel Thomson ikerlariak erantzun zien lehenbizi \u00abC\u00e9sar, Ner\u00f3n y otras mentiras del mont\u00f3n\u00bb artikulu mamitsuarekin. Eta orainago, Idoia Filloyk\u2212 EHUtik \u00abArkeologoa eta Historian lizentziatua, eta Ondare Arkeologiko, Historiko eta Artistikoan Unibertsitate Masterra \u2212duenak erantzun die bideoz eta idatziz: \u00abAutopsia de una Noticia\u2013 2025\u00bb eta \u00abLas Ermitas (Espejo, \u00c1lava): los grafitos de C\u00e9sar y Ner\u00f3n en su contexto\u00bb arqueol\u00f3gico\u00bb. Dena ondo dokumentatuta. Prentsa-oharraren egileek irakurri eta ikusi badituzte ziur nago dagoeneko ondo damututa egongo direla idatzi izanaz. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bertan gezurrak, erdi egiak eta susmoak nahasten direla diote bai batak zein besteak, berriro ere Iru\u00f1a-Veleiako grafitoak eta Lurmen empresa lokazteko, ezelako frogarik eskaini gabe. Gainera, idatzi hau lau haizetara zabaldu zuten 30 bat hedabidek, bai EHan (EITB, \u00abEl Correo\u00bb, El \u00abDiario Vasco\u00bb&#8230;; bai Estatu espainiarrean (\u00abABC\u00bb, Cadena SER, \u00abInfobae\u00bb, \u00abEl Debate\u00bb&#8230;). Baita Facebook-ek eta X-k ere. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Grafitoen balizko benetakotasunaren edota faltsutasunaren gaira pasatuz gero, ohartuko gara ez dela ezer aurreratu urteen joan-etorrian. Oraindik 2013an pertsona bakar batek egindako txostenarekin gabiltza \u2212\u00abInstituto del Patrimonio Cultural de Espa\u00f1a (IPCE), primer informe de Jos\u00e9 Vicente Navarro\u00bb\u2212, 2020ko Epaiak berretsi zuena: grafitoetatik 39 bakarrik analizatu zirela eta horietatik 36 faltsuak direla eta 1 benetakoa. Guztira 300 bat izan daitezkeela jakinda, oraindik badago zer analizatua. Ezin esango dute denbora falta izan denik gehiago edo denak analizatzeko! Ulergaitza da zergatik ez dituzten eramaten behingoz bizpahiru laborategitara. Seguru egongo ginateke, Irulegiko Eskuaz gauden bezala. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Eta aurrera begira zer? Auzi larri eta korapilatsuei eman izan zaie irtenbidea gure Herrian eta honi ere esperantzaren leihoa zabaldu behar zaiolakoan nago. Etorriko dira garai hobeak.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.naiz.eus\/eu\/iritzia\/articulos\/2008-11-19-efemeride-mingotsa\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/www.naiz.eus\/eu\/iritzia\/articulos\/2008-11-19-efemeride-mingotsa<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Egun horretan kanporatuak izan ziren Iru\u00f1a-Veleia aztarnategian indusketak egiten ari ziren LURMEN-eko arduradunak, Eliseo Gil eta Idoia Filloy, eta hainbat langile \u00abOrden Foral 444\/2008 de 19-11-2008\u00bb-aren bidez. Kanporatze erabakia \u00abBatzorde Zientifiko-aholkularia\u00bb k hartu zuela esaten badu ere, Batzordearen bileretako aktetan ez da ageri holakorik. 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